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		<title>By: Bob Carpenter</title>
		<link>http://brenocon.com/blog/2011/07/987/#comment-70958</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Carpenter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jul 2011 19:27:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oops, meant that Ockham&#039;s razor is not due to Einstein.  

Interestingly, the right way to think about Ockham&#039;s razor is in terms of a universal computational generalization of Shannon&#039;s theory of entropy, namely Kolmogorov complexity.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops, meant that Ockham&#8217;s razor is not due to Einstein.  </p>
<p>Interestingly, the right way to think about Ockham&#8217;s razor is in terms of a universal computational generalization of Shannon&#8217;s theory of entropy, namely Kolmogorov complexity.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Carpenter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob Carpenter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jul 2011 19:24:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Shannon doesn&#039;t have to be around to represent himself because math keeps working even after the discoverer dies.  

Norvig&#039;s response was a hoot.  It points out how easy it is to turn Chomsky&#039;s rhetoric against itself (watch the CBC doc &lt;i&gt;Manufacturing Consent&lt;/i&gt; for a real mind trip if you know anything about the power game in linguistic theory).

Unlike Norvig, I gave up trying to debate these guys years ago and just voted with my feet to get as far away from them as I could.  The last talk I gave in linguistics was over 10 years ago and they nearly threw tomatoes at me.  I was at NYU and I suggested doing exploratory data analysis (not modeling, mind you) with spoken language corpora.  They told me that linguistics wasn&#039;t about modeling what people say, but about &quot;understanding&quot; and whatever I was doing wasn&#039;t linguistics.  The only data they considered worthy were the intuitions of &quot;trained linguists&quot;.  

The reason the CMU computational linguistics program split from the University of Pittsburgh&#039;s linguistics department is that Pitt (specifically Dan Everett, the one syntactician involved) didn&#039;t consider HPSG linguistics, but instead called it &quot;engineering&quot; and absolutely refused to let one of my and Carl Pollard&#039;s students do a qualifying paper on German word order in HPSG.  Polemical words were exchanged and Pitt unilaterally broke all ties.  They were a bit surprised all the students wanted to be associated with CMU &quot;engineering&quot; rather than Pitt &quot;science&quot;.

Note to Norvig:  Ockham&#039;s razor is not due to Chomsky.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shannon doesn&#8217;t have to be around to represent himself because math keeps working even after the discoverer dies.  </p>
<p>Norvig&#8217;s response was a hoot.  It points out how easy it is to turn Chomsky&#8217;s rhetoric against itself (watch the CBC doc <i>Manufacturing Consent</i> for a real mind trip if you know anything about the power game in linguistic theory).</p>
<p>Unlike Norvig, I gave up trying to debate these guys years ago and just voted with my feet to get as far away from them as I could.  The last talk I gave in linguistics was over 10 years ago and they nearly threw tomatoes at me.  I was at NYU and I suggested doing exploratory data analysis (not modeling, mind you) with spoken language corpora.  They told me that linguistics wasn&#8217;t about modeling what people say, but about &#8220;understanding&#8221; and whatever I was doing wasn&#8217;t linguistics.  The only data they considered worthy were the intuitions of &#8220;trained linguists&#8221;.  </p>
<p>The reason the CMU computational linguistics program split from the University of Pittsburgh&#8217;s linguistics department is that Pitt (specifically Dan Everett, the one syntactician involved) didn&#8217;t consider HPSG linguistics, but instead called it &#8220;engineering&#8221; and absolutely refused to let one of my and Carl Pollard&#8217;s students do a qualifying paper on German word order in HPSG.  Polemical words were exchanged and Pitt unilaterally broke all ties.  They were a bit surprised all the students wanted to be associated with CMU &#8220;engineering&#8221; rather than Pitt &#8220;science&#8221;.</p>
<p>Note to Norvig:  Ockham&#8217;s razor is not due to Chomsky.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://brenocon.com/blog/2011/07/987/#comment-69948</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jul 2011 07:21:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m pretty sure both Chomsky and Fred (Jelinek) would have viewed it as a waste of their time. It&#039;s a pity that there aren&#039;t any serious intellectuals who are information theorists. Pereira and Norvig are probably the best we&#039;ve got.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m pretty sure both Chomsky and Fred (Jelinek) would have viewed it as a waste of their time. It&#8217;s a pity that there aren&#8217;t any serious intellectuals who are information theorists. Pereira and Norvig are probably the best we&#8217;ve got.</p>
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